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Local Press Coverage

Casino foes join forces in Saugerties
Kingston Freeman

When the Chips are Down
Spada goes to work for casino developer
Saugerties Times


Denied!

Supreme Court refuses to hear case prohibiting Indian casinos
Saugerties Times

Think Twice
Seneca-Cayugas and Wilmot offer casino to Cayuga County Saugerties Times


The Secret of Success; Vacco's lobbying firm under scrutiny for relationship with casino Saugerties Times

'New Sheriff in Town'
Interview with Seneca-Cayuga chief
Saugerties Times

Playing For Keeps Anti-casino activists visit Foxwoods Saugerties Times

Ready to Gamble?
Ulster County Supervisors' Association discusses casinos
Saugerties Times

Wild Card Casino ups ante to $600 million Saugerties Times
Kingston alderman shuffle their casino stance
Daily Freeman

$600 million ante Daily Freeman
Casino developers show their hand Daily Freeman
Saugerties board rejects casino - unanimously Daily Freeman
They Just Said No... Saugerties Town board votes unanimously against casino
Saugerties Times

Saugerties village trustees say 'no' to casino Daily Freeman
Casino committee wonders what's in the cards Daily Freeman

House of Cards Community organizes against casino at Winston Farm Saugerties Times
Ulster County lawmakers postpone casino 'home rule' vote Daily Freeman
NO DICE: Kingston mayor joins Saugerties casino opposition Daily Freeman
Casino foes up the ante. Over 250 load fill Town hall
Daily Freeman

Casino shouldn't be built over host community's objection, lawmakers say Daily Freeman
Deal Saugerties Out. Mayor and supervisor plan to introduce anti-casino resolutions
Saugerties Times

Saugerties leaders oppose casino Daily Freeman

Legislature may have final say over casino Saugerties Times

Saugerties pursues casino talks Daily Freeman
Woodstock opposes casinos

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" Jumping at several small opportunities may get us there more quickly than waiting for one big one to come along
."  ~Hugh Allen

Crop circles,
alien runways,
now this..
.

These strange road markings visible to anyone
appear on Hommelville Rd., Rt. 32 and Rt 212 

Amended casino restriction exempts Wawarsing
Daily Freeman (June 22)

Use caution in casino deals

Poughkeepsie Journal (June 3)


For or against casinos, communities want a say

Daily Freeman (May 27)

Ulster County lawmakers vote for local voice in casino siting
Daily Freeman (May 11)


Ulster Town Board to set hearing on casino resolution

Daily Freeman (May 2)

Casino bill is a compromise
Daily Freeman (April 20)

Town may seek say on casinos
Daily Freeman (Apr 18)

Ulster County may expand casino resolution
Daily Freeman (Apr 12)

Ellenville leader fears legislation could block casino
Daily Freeman (Mar 29)

Ulster casino ban in works
Daily Freeman (Mar 27)

A tale of two stories:
Were Saugerties casino plans even BIGGER?

What developer says and what you get could be two different projects
Press Release


The casino proposal

• 1.2 million square feet of "resort/casino"
• 20,000-seat (approximately 500,000-square foot) sports and entertainment arena
• 5 garages for a total number of approximately 23,000 vehicles
• One million square feet of retail space
• A PGA-level 27 hole golf course
• 18,000 visitors daily
• 1 million gallons of water used daily

 

The tribe is asking the state to designate all 840 acres of the Winston Farm as trust or sovereign land.
The tribe has said it would pay Ulster County $30 million per year for seven years in lieu of property taxes.

Whats not to like ?

Proposed Casino in Saugerties at Winston Farm 
"While some Indian tribes have benefited from the passage of IGRA, local communities in which casinos have been built have been profoundly impacted.
The quality of life in many local communities forced to host casino operations has seriously eroded, despite in many cases massive tribal contributions to the state coffers."
"The strain Indian casinos place on the surrounding communities is tremendous. For non-Indian casinos, it is estimated that for every dollar a community collects from gambling taxes, it must spend three dollars to cover new expenses, including police, infrastructure repairs, social welfare and counseling services.
Because local communities cannot tax Indian operations, the strain is even more acute."
FORK TONGUE
     The folks of Saugerties need to read the information at this web site, Ray Halbritter, Oneida Indian Nation representative, in an address to the NYS Assembly March 11, 2005, does not speak with "fork tongue".
     In April of 2003, Governor Pataki and Attorney General Spitzer, through their attorneys, wrote a letter to the federal government stating that permitting out-of-state tribes to be provided with governmental jurisdiction in New York would open a "Pandora's box."   They also noted that:
There are a number of out-of-state tribes that assert land claims in New York.  If each of those tribes was allowed to assert jurisdictional rights in New York, the potential for inter-tribal disputes and disruption in surrounding communities would increase exponentially.  As a matter of policy, a conclusion that the [Seneca-Cayuga] Oklahoma Tribe may exercise jurisdiction in New York is clearly undesirable.      
    Returning to the present, Ray Halbritter , March 11, 2005, states to the NYS Assembly; "And we were also astonished by the Governor's decision to invite Oklahoma and Wisconsin Indian tribes to establish (governments) and develop casinos in New York, something that is completely inconsistent with Haudenosaunee (Iroquois) traditions, federal law, and quite frankly, common sense."           The Oklahoma Seneca-Cayuga Tribe is a conglomeration of people from various Iroquois and non-Iroquois tribes, many of whom had relocated to Ohio before the American Revolution started.  Most of the ancestors of the Oklahoma Seneca-Cayugas were not even residing in New York when the 1794 Treaty of Canandaigua was signed.  
     Both the Oklahoma Indian Welfare Act and the written constitution of the Seneca-Cayuga Tribe limit the governmental jurisdiction of the Tribe to its Oklahoma lands and its members residing in Oklahoma.  Historical records also show that the Oklahoma Seneca-Cayugas have very little justification for a land claims case and absolutely no justification for sovereignty rights or a governmental presence in New York.
     The Pataki Administration believes it can "contain" the sovereignty of the new tribes they wish to invite to New York. This is an exercise in self-delusion and is squarely at odds with 200 years of federal law and policy and the views of the out-of-state tribes.  The preceding few paragraphs are an example of the information contained within Mr. Halbritters address to the NYS Assembly.
     Locally, Democrats, Conservatives, the Council of Churches, individual sentiment of the townsfolk's, the Town Board of Woodstock, etc., all oppose the casino.  Mr. Wilbur (Woodstock Town Supervisor) I believe described the casino situation best; "the current approach of licensing Native American tribes to act as front groups for large gambling consortiums is "extremely dishonest".  A sober, honest and realistic view, of the pending situation we face, in regards to this potential casino.  Mr. Helsmoortel, you could learn a few things from this person.  To add to it all, we need to beware of the potential and probably imminent increase in drunken driving incidents, gambling addiction, bankruptcy, embezzlement and divorce. 
     George "fork tongue" Pataki and his local republican minions seem to be the only crew in favor of this potential casino site.  You know the line-up; Mr. Hooker, Mr. Bonisac, Mr. Roberti, Mr. Aiello, Mrs. Tipp, Mr. Helsmoortel, Mrs. Thornton, and Mr. Costello.  This is the self-serving, party first community second, local aristocracy.  We the people of Saugerties should demand a referendum vote, on this casino issue.
      Mr. Helsmoortel, it is unbelievable to read you are concerned for the local taxpayers and you think this casino is a solution to our tax problem. ""As a small municipality facing increased school and property tax burdens, we feel that it is our duty to at least examine all potential revenue sources". 
     How about an Assessor committed to excellence, an experienced professional individual or group, which will treat all the folks in Saugerties fairly.  When is our assessment amateur hour going to end?  
     Finally, why hasn't the League of Women Voters Grievance presentation not appeared on the Saugerties TV channel?  Maybe because it is contrary to the way assessments are done in Saugerties.  Want to bet! 
                                                                                                  Steven Haun, SAGA

   


SAUGERTIES CANNOT BE BOUGHT
To the Editor:
I'm shocked that the Ulster County Development Corp. (UCDC) allowed a presentation from the Seneca-Cayuga tribe on their Saugerties casino plan even though the county, town, village, state senator Bonacic and Congressman Hinchey are all on record against the proposal. Don't UCDC officials read newspapers?
The Seneca-Cayuga used the forum to circumvent local government opposition and lure supporters by publicly increasing their monetary offer. The suggestion that Saugerties' support can be "bought" is very insulting. I agree with village mayor Bob Yerick: I will not support a casino in Saugerties regardless of how much the tribe offers.
I serve on the legislative oversight committee that oversees UCDC. It's troubling that although plans were finalized before our committee meeting on June 15, UCDC president Chester Straub did not inform legislators about the Seneca-Cayuga presentation.
Giving the tribe a public forum to present a new offer was a serious mistake in judgment. The UCDC ignored the Ulster County legislature's official opposition to a Saugerties casino and Mr. Straub neglected to notify the members of the legislative oversight committee. Who authorized UCDC to entertain casino offers from Native American tribes?
UCDC's actions add credibility to the belief that Ulster County may be better off without them.
Joe Roberti
Ulster County Legislator
District 4
Saugerties Times 6/23/05

PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE
To the Editor:
It appears that the proposed casino in Saugerties will hopefully be a footnote in the history books by summer's end, as long as the county respects the wishes of our community. Be aware, however, many lobbyists in Albany are filling their pockets with the Indians' money to actively carry the pro-gaming message to the legislature and governor.
Currently, the state lobbying commission is considering a criminal investigation of one of Albany's prominent lobbying firms. The reason for the possible investigation is the consulting contract between the Oklahoma Seneca-Cayuga tribe's efforts to place a casino in New York state, Tom Wilmot, a Rochester developer, and one of the lobbying firm's named partners. Mr. Wilmot, you may recall, has the development rights to the Winston Farm property. It will be interesting to see if the state lobbying commission will settle this matter with a mere monetary penalty or have the fortitude to seek a criminal remedy. Special interest groups, such as the pro-gaming forces, with an unfettered supply of funds, can devastate a community and through attrition, either by legislation or by the court system, suppress the will of the people.
To thwart such aggressions, Saugerties should have its own rainy day fund as is authorized under New York state law. The rainy day fund may be used for a variety of purposes and emergencies, including preventing tax increases and for the betterment of the community. Amazingly, Saugerties does not have such a fund, which I find curious because we have had to previously fight to protect our borders when the county attempted to site the county dump on the Winston Farm. While reviewing the town's budget, it occurred to me that Saugerties is living hand-to-mouth and failing to undertake long-term financial planning that will give Saugerties the monetary means to weather any storms that blow our way.
We need to do long-term planning. We need to pay ourselves first. We need to be thrifty with our money so that we are a stronger, more prosperous Saugerties. Let us hope that this dark cloud of gambling passes without any rain falling because we certainly are not prepared for a downpour.
Steven J. Guerin
Saugerties